Posts by Dismissing servant

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Will you out live the WTBTS?

by Coded Logic in

one year an elder, his special pioneer wife, and their two aux-pioneer children flew out to ny so that they could tour bethel.

while visiting they noticed an old man standing on top of the headquarters with a pair of binoculars.

the elder was perplexed by this and asked their tour guide, what's that old man doing on top of the roof?.

Dismissing servant

This sounds like an JW urban legend to me.

Maybe I'm a very sceptic person?

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The frustration of talking to a person with a closed mind

by TheStumbler in

okay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.

i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.

i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.

Dismissing servant

I think that the TS is an outsider...probably he likes intellectual honesty.........but, you are right.

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back in the 60s, wt literature stressed that jesus died to offset adamic sin.. later, they started talking in terms of jesus dying for personal sins as well, but maybe that was ray franz's influence.. as a jw, did you feel that jesus died for your sins or only for adam's original sin?.

does anyone know the current wt teaching on this?.

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Dismissing servant

I did not "feel" anything....

But the teaching was that every sin in the world was a consequence of Adams original sin....and I think that teaching is the same now. Somewhere in Pauls letters it was stated that sin came to mankind via one specific man, Adam.

This is the teaching of most of christianity aswell, but I think mainstream churches focus a bit more on the ransom for personals sins than the JWs do.

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The frustration of talking to a person with a closed mind

by TheStumbler in

okay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.

i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.

i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.

Dismissing servant

Yep, it's a non argument..and a thought stopper. That's the way cognitive dissonance works.

Nope, they are not tryingt to "convert people to a religion"...they are preaching the truth" or"spreadinmg the word of Jehovah". Of corurse it's all about semantics, for some reason they don't like the word convert.

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The frustration of talking to a person with a closed mind

by TheStumbler in

okay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.

i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.

i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.

Dismissing servant

Hey! Science and facts doesn't promise him an etarnal life petting lions and pandas.......why the heck should he "believe" in evolution?? This is an example of cognitive dissonance.

Anyhow...keep asking questions.....don't overload him with facts...he is not receptable for facts.

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The rank and file and mentally diseased!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

this sounds like the typical rank and file jw, it's actually a mental disorder, i and many others were once in this state.... delusional disorder is an uncommon psychiatric condition in which patients present with delusions, but with no accompanying prominent hallucinations, thought disorder, mood disorder, or significant flattening of affect.

[ 1 ][ 2 ] delusions are a specific symptom of psychosis.

non-bizarre delusions are fixed false beliefs that involve situations that could potentially occur in real life; examples include being followed or poisoned.

Dismissing servant

The problem is that the diagnostic system of psychiatric disorders makes explicit exeptions for religious beliefs. If you believ that Jesus was born by a virgin you are not delusional, but if you believe that your became pregnant by some godly interventin you are delutional. This is a bit illogic, I agree, but the vergin bith of Jesus is so established in the western culture so we cannot say people believing i it are delutional in a strict way.

This one is a bit harder... someone believing that Jesus returned invisibly in the year 2011 is probably delusional......but a group of poeple in an established religion stating that he returned in 1914 is probably not delusional in a strict psychiatric meaning. Even if we both, and probably most people here and everywhere find that belief just outright crazy.

Neverthess, my point about scaring people back to the kingdom hall is about how to interact with believers.......calling them delusional doensn't make them listen to us...........they just identify us as aggressie apostates.

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The rank and file and mentally diseased!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

this sounds like the typical rank and file jw, it's actually a mental disorder, i and many others were once in this state.... delusional disorder is an uncommon psychiatric condition in which patients present with delusions, but with no accompanying prominent hallucinations, thought disorder, mood disorder, or significant flattening of affect.

[ 1 ][ 2 ] delusions are a specific symptom of psychosis.

non-bizarre delusions are fixed false beliefs that involve situations that could potentially occur in real life; examples include being followed or poisoned.

Dismissing servant

Sometimes I wonder if some posters just wish to scare every lurking active JW back to the kingdom hall.

And yes, organized religion/belief per se is not classified as delusional in psychiatry...a patient have to have more severe symtoms that belief to be classified as delutional, e g hearing gods voice or acting out their belief in a strange/atypical way. I don't think the people in Al Qaeda or ISIS would primally will be classified as delutional in the traditional psychiatric sence. In some way they are acting rational in their system of belief. And they don't have any (other)symtoms of psychosis/delution.

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Disturbing or amusing?

by JWdaughter in

anyone here notice how the icon that comes up in your tab for jehovahs-witness.net is almost identical to the one that the wt chose for jw.org?

coincidence?

i wonder.

Dismissing servant

Yes, I nociced it when I haad a look at my mothers tablet! The org seem to have copied the logo from here! :-)

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JW GB MEMBER CAUGHT ON CAMERA!!!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

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gb member and so called "annointed" person geoffry jackson is caught red handed on video doing some worldly dancing and sexual gyrating (they have spoken against such manner of dancing on several occasions) with a woman who is not his wife!!!

i can only imagine what they do off camera now!!!.

i would not have even considerd doing such a thing on the dance floor with a woman, especially if it was not my wife, and i'm not even one of the so called "annointed" smh!!!

Dismissing servant

You know....it's excellent that this video is put up at Youtube...maybe it will have a much greater effect than the whole August tract campagne? I hope every rank and file JW will be able to watch this...

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JW GB MEMBER CAUGHT ON CAMERA!!!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

jw
friends

gb member and so called "annointed" person geoffry jackson is caught red handed on video doing some worldly dancing and sexual gyrating (they have spoken against such manner of dancing on several occasions) with a woman who is not his wife!!!

i can only imagine what they do off camera now!!!.

i would not have even considerd doing such a thing on the dance floor with a woman, especially if it was not my wife, and i'm not even one of the so called "annointed" smh!!!

Dismissing servant

Come on..Jesus turned 720 litres of water in to wine...when people already were drunk....sure he liked partying...and girls.......remember...he was a perfect man! :-P